Agreed, mellowtigger. "traditional male role" does not automatically equal "toxic masculinity," and to think otherwise isn't fair to the men. A man can be traditional and toxic, and a man can be non-traditional and toxic. Same for both's ability to be non-toxic.

I think people coming up with their own definitions creates a lot of non-starters in conversation. People hear "toxic masculinity" and think that all men are being attacked. People hear "feminist," and think "man-hater." It's really quite frustrating.

It's important to distinguish actual toxic masculinity without more traditional males getting triggered and thinking they are automatically included in this.