EVE has a lot going for it too. I got far enough to start flirting with the uncontrolled ("null") space zones. What has me interested in Darkfall is the lack of levels, lack of world chat, and that every item can be crafted by players. I've been wanting that set of features for a long time. Sadly, the total PvP with full loot is something I dislike about games because they have no way setup for players to actually establish their own rules about behavior. It's all based on the idea that you just gank someone back if you can. *blech*